tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post115248742813634168..comments2024-03-27T05:13:31.125-04:00Comments on Gay Conservative Liberal: The New Face of Christendom?Gay Conservative Liberalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16794634321370660899noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152558583626079252006-07-10T15:09:00.000-04:002006-07-10T15:09:00.000-04:00Thanks for the book reco, think this might be my f...Thanks for the book reco, think this might be my first read. Will def report back.Gay Conservative Liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16794634321370660899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152558217153926402006-07-10T15:03:00.000-04:002006-07-10T15:03:00.000-04:00Thanks for your posts Clemens, really appreciate t...Thanks for your posts Clemens, really appreciate them.Gay Conservative Liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16794634321370660899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152557752551251052006-07-10T14:55:00.000-04:002006-07-10T14:55:00.000-04:00I believe Phelps is an incarnation of Satan, and t...I believe Phelps is an incarnation of Satan, and that he and his followers are already in Hell. He speaks just as the Father of Lies would. His choice of words <I>clearly</I> give him away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152557396687296802006-07-10T14:49:00.000-04:002006-07-10T14:49:00.000-04:00Anon: '...here you go again miss r... "vast"...ple...Anon: <BR/>'...here you go again miss r... "vast"...please define that. what threshold constitutes "vast"?'<BR/> <BR/>Don't know about Miss R, but this morning on the Diane Rehm show she had all kinds of experts on terrorism saying that Bin Ladinism has spread like wildfire throughout the Islamic world in the last three years. Well, they're on NPR so it must be true, mostly. <BR/><BR/>Now let's see, roughly 1 billion Muslims, and @ about 5% more than passively interested in Bin Ladinism... well, that's a lot of people! Spread through out the world. And connected by the Net.<BR/><BR/>What exactly was the definition of "vast" we were working with again? <BR/><BR/>Well, I could be wrong, or at least very confused. <BR/><BR/>Oh yes. Gay Conservative Liberal asked for some books he ought to read on Islam and related topics. My vote is "Islamic Imperialism: A History" by Efraim Karsh and published by Yale Un Press. That means its serious enough to satisfy those who like to throw around the 'ignoramous' tag. I've just gotten started on it and will report back.Clemenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05922786452973982414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152547274803439112006-07-10T12:01:00.000-04:002006-07-10T12:01:00.000-04:00It's difficult to explain how disgusting the Phelp...It's difficult to explain how disgusting the Phelps family is. A quick vignette - Al Gore, at least at one point, was good friends with Fred Phelps and the guy used to be Democrat. That is not to denigrate Gore - but to demonstrate that at one time or another, every politican has had photo ops, alliances, joint ventures, etc with unsavory people. Fred Phelps himself was - and I believe still is - a democrat. Just point of fact.<BR/><BR/>On another note - I just wanted to hop into the debate with anonymous - who makes some decent points but is so wrapped up in calling you a bigot - he throws it all away. I agree about the Muslim Association of Canada. They were on the ball. It would have been nice if most Muslim associations made statements of equal verocity after 9/11. Generally speaking, they did not. <BR/><BR/>I believe most Americans, as do I, believe in the beauty of Islam and are well aware that vast majority of its practiioners are not terrorist, do not support them, and in fact abhor them. But let me clear - moderate Muslims HAVE NOT BEEN VISIBLE on this. There is Wafa Sultan and Irshad Manji - but some of the most visible muslim organizations - CAIR in particular - have been extremely deficient in defending Islam - but amazing diligent in defending Islamists.Berdohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08770021445237734395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152494014154392292006-07-09T21:13:00.000-04:002006-07-09T21:13:00.000-04:00Amen to that, anon. Guess I can prove to be either...Amen to that, anon. Guess I can prove to be either or via this blog. Hope you'll wait it out with me to make your final opinion.Gay Conservative Liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16794634321370660899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152493412697331082006-07-09T21:03:00.000-04:002006-07-09T21:03:00.000-04:00"I am not a bigot"ok, maybe you are, and maybe you..."I am not a bigot"<BR/><BR/>ok, maybe you are, and maybe you're not. but you sure come across as one, and perception is reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152492786438109262006-07-09T20:53:00.000-04:002006-07-09T20:53:00.000-04:00Anon, I would love to hear more about your experie...Anon, I would love to hear more about your experience in the Yugoslavian republic. I don't claim to know everything and I am not a bigot. Enlighten me and spare me the comparisons to murderers.Gay Conservative Liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16794634321370660899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152492568575283082006-07-09T20:49:00.000-04:002006-07-09T20:49:00.000-04:00"I'm totally nice."..."nice", in addition to compa..."I'm totally nice."<BR/><BR/>..."nice", in addition to compassionate. wow, thats great!<BR/><BR/>i was once sent on a business trip by my company to see the Yugoslav government in the days of milosovic... the meeting ended up being with a high ministerial official from the serbian government.<BR/><BR/>he was nice too. very nice. kept offering me coffee and cookies, and arranged for a car and driver to take me to the airport at 100 mph so i wouldn't miss my flight to vienna.<BR/><BR/>2 years later saw his face in the NYT among the hague's most wanted.<BR/><BR/>yup, all kind of bigots can be niceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152492291455189462006-07-09T20:44:00.001-04:002006-07-09T20:44:00.001-04:00Thanks for your comments OOF and for staying on th...Thanks for your comments OOF and for staying on the subject of this post.Gay Conservative Liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16794634321370660899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152492253828241132006-07-09T20:44:00.000-04:002006-07-09T20:44:00.000-04:00Miss R we totally have a date, good luck with the ...Miss R we totally have a date, good luck with the Bar, it's in August right?Gay Conservative Liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16794634321370660899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152492211954686042006-07-09T20:43:00.000-04:002006-07-09T20:43:00.000-04:00Sure thing, anon. I'm totally nice. And super tan,...Sure thing, anon. I'm totally nice. And super tan, too. I LOVE the summer.Gay Conservative Liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16794634321370660899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152492109944052132006-07-09T20:41:00.000-04:002006-07-09T20:41:00.000-04:00"No need for internment camps"thanks. how wonderfu..."No need for internment camps"<BR/><BR/>thanks. how wonderfully benevolent of you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152491766133333042006-07-09T20:36:00.000-04:002006-07-09T20:36:00.000-04:00CORRECTION:I meant to say:Their actions and signs-...CORRECTION:<BR/>I meant to say:<BR/><BR/>Their actions and signs--with drawings of priests having sex with little boys and other messages of hate--were bad enough but their constant confrontation of peaceful people were so in your face as to be close to violence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152491709080007152006-07-09T20:35:00.000-04:002006-07-09T20:35:00.000-04:00WOW, conservative liberal, I just realized we both...WOW, conservative liberal, I just realized we both are in our 20s and in NYC (and think very much alike).<BR/><BR/>After the bar exam we should totally meet up. :-)Red Tulipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03546144713477594777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152491412126408682006-07-09T20:30:00.001-04:002006-07-09T20:30:00.001-04:00I doubt that Conservative Liberal wants to round a...I doubt that Conservative Liberal wants to round anybody up. I sure don't.<BR/><BR/>But I also do not think they should easily get to move to this country. We have no obligation to accept them. We also have reason to use as much CIA/FBI intelligence to stop them. (within the law) And we don't have to give 501(c)(3) status to organizations that pose as charities but in fact filter money to those who wish to do us harm.Red Tulipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03546144713477594777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152491404542380532006-07-09T20:30:00.000-04:002006-07-09T20:30:00.000-04:00Good point about the ax murderer, anon. No taxi dr...Good point about the ax murderer, anon. No taxi drivers have tried to behead me, or rip me off even. <BR/><BR/>No need for internment camps, the ideology of Islam is going to be twisted around until a nuclear holocaust for all we know. Islam is defined by its hardliner fundamentalists at the moment. The "moderates" don't count because the terrorists are out to get them, too.Gay Conservative Liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16794634321370660899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152491348796133132006-07-09T20:29:00.000-04:002006-07-09T20:29:00.000-04:00I couldn't agree more with your comments about the...I couldn't agree more with your comments about the Westoboro Baptist Church and the actions of many on the "Christian Right." I ran into them myself when I attended the Episcopal Church General Convention in 2003 that confirmed Gene Robinson election as Bishop. There actions and signs--with drawings of priests having sex with little boys and other messages of hate. <BR/><BR/>The extremism these people spew is NOT "Christian" however much they claim to be and, based upon seeing them in action, would never be surprise to see their words turn to violence.<BR/><BR/>People beware!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152491116875637952006-07-09T20:25:00.000-04:002006-07-09T20:25:00.000-04:00"ONE example, anon, and you still haven't answered..."ONE example, anon, and you still haven't answered the question about how people are supposed to know that their Muslim neighbors aren't plotting against them?"<BR/><BR/>..and how am i supposed to know the person next door isn't an ax murder?... 4 million violent or attempted violent crimes in america per year (20o4 DOJ statistics..at least i can cite stats)...how many americans have been beheaded by their muslim neighbors?<BR/><BR/>...and just be honest, isn't your prescription to round them up and put them into WWII japanese style camps?...whats implicit in your question hardly disguises your intellectual dishonesty.<BR/><BR/>in the mean time, you did not answer my question..how many nyc taxi drivers have tried to behead you.<BR/><BR/>oh, and if you make sweeping statements without fact which condem people, thats bigotryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152490855318949602006-07-09T20:20:00.000-04:002006-07-09T20:20:00.000-04:00Grrr..right about that last part. I hate them, tho...Grrr..right about that last part. I hate them, though.Gay Conservative Liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16794634321370660899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152490477387690292006-07-09T20:14:00.001-04:002006-07-09T20:14:00.001-04:00Thanks, Conservative Liberal.Merely looking at wor...Thanks, Conservative Liberal.<BR/><BR/>Merely looking at world events and the public opinion polls I have cited is proof of the vastness of Islamicism.<BR/><BR/>Of course action should be taken if the Westboro Baptist church ever goes violent - but they haven't yet. Until they do, they are protected under the First Amendment.Red Tulipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03546144713477594777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152490444808165792006-07-09T20:14:00.000-04:002006-07-09T20:14:00.000-04:00Have been writing so much I forgot this post is ab...Have been writing so much I forgot this post is about extremist Christians. Anon, chill out and focus on this issue now ... what say you about the Westboro Baptist Church?Gay Conservative Liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16794634321370660899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152490285173645432006-07-09T20:11:00.000-04:002006-07-09T20:11:00.000-04:00ONE example, anon, and you still haven't answered ...ONE example, anon, and you still haven't answered the question about how people are supposed to know that their Muslim neighbors aren't plotting against them?<BR/><BR/>And stop calling people here bigots and ignorant, it's just unnecessary. We can all agree to disagree but namecalling is just tacky. <BR/><BR/>Besides, what effing planet are you on where you don't see Islam as the excuse for every other death and war these days? <BR/><BR/>Miss R is making a point as an observer of world events. If she's a bigot with "lathering bigotry" spewing out of her mouth, I can see you packing the knives into your duffel bag to fly a jet into a skyscraper.Gay Conservative Liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16794634321370660899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152489667493682422006-07-09T20:01:00.000-04:002006-07-09T20:01:00.000-04:00"This cannot be compared to the vast, worldwide ph..."This cannot be compared to the vast, worldwide phenomenom of Islamofacism."<BR/>...here you go again miss r... "vast"...please define that. what threshold constitutes "vast"? You still haven't validated your "large swaths" statements and you've moved on to another. the lathering bigotry spewing from your mouth is almost visualAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30051204.post-1152489467215509822006-07-09T19:57:00.000-04:002006-07-09T19:57:00.000-04:00Touche, Miss R. My point is that these people are ...Touche, Miss R. My point is that these people are our own problem to deal with here and worst case scenario they could launch an assault. It only took a handful of men to bring 9-11 upon the world so they should be taken seriously.Gay Conservative Liberalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16794634321370660899noreply@blogger.com